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Alto Consejo Cybertroniano | |
Tanafor Alto Consejo Cybertroniano | #1• ... having worked on several fan-intensive projects in the past. But what the hey. I'lll post here, in this relatively safe Don-Murphy guarded thread. John Rogers here. Let the angry flaming begin. A few things off the bat. First off: I KNEW that CATWOMAN credit would come back to bite me in the ass. To tell you the truth, I haven't actually even seen the CATWOMAN movie. Let's leave it at that. Don't get me wrong, I liked the people and appreciate the check. But, err, no. (And don't slag THE CORE. I liked THE CORE. It was one of my first assignments as a young writer and I'm very proud of it. That and creating JACKIE CHAN ADVENTURES ) Look, we've got to both respect the massive fanbase and mythology of a twenty-year legacy, at the same time expand it in filmic ways, and streamline it for a new audience who wouldn't know G1 from Dreamwave with a gun to their head. Look at that Citroen commercial -- why shouldn't we make this movie so the big bots become current in today's culture, rather than treating them as some artifact? There's plainly a zeitgeist for it out there. There should be, after this movie, another whole generation of Transformers fans. Now, to throw you ravenous jackals some marrow. What little marrow I can without ticking off the powers-that-be. Some random stuff, with a few obscure clues for you to chew over: Yes, Mr. Spielberg is very involved in the movie. He pitched out a couple very cool ideas during the development of the story. It's a huge frikkin' honor to be working for him, and know he takes this project very seriously. G1. G1. G1. Period. Finito. Size-shifting is an integral part of the movie, but basically on a scale that'll allow the transformations from earth-disguise vehicle forms to robot to make sense. Some of the power-scales of the Transformer megaweaponry here in my Simon Furman-penned guide sitting next to my computer would be a little ridiculous in a live-action movie. But I want big robots. You want big robots. We'll have some very big robots. And they will fight. I'm writing big-robot-fights. There are some days my job couldn't get cooler. Ark? Check. Cybertron? Check. Energon Matrix? Check plus, actually. Think more about what it means in the greater sense of Transformer identity and sentience. We won't mention Primus, but that points you in the direction of why the Autobots and Decepticons want it, more than just a leadership squabble. As in: "Spark." As to who's showing up -- If you want real, well-defined characters, we need to spend more time on the personalities of each Transformer as a charcter. Autobot faction, Decepticon faction, and humans, they all need to come across as real, um, "people." So, much like the X-Men model, a tight focus on a few leads, with an expansion in the possible second and third movie to a bigger roster. Having said that, why wouldn't I want a cool shapeshifting spy Decepticon? Although, you know, cassettes are so passe ... I think he'd adapt a bit more ... Freedom IS the right of every sentient being. Who's the coolest two-seater high octane brother? I'm asking you. And one small change -- from ambulance to fire truck. Fire truck's more interesting on-screen and to watch transform, and they're both emblematic of his personality, so I think you guys will forgive me. Or at least, I'm asking you to right now. (this is representative of the only changes we're allowing in the movie from mythology. When we change something, we have to keep the spirit of the original intact. Don't worry, Tom and Don are breathing down my neck constantly ...) Witwicky -- check. Witiwicky girlfriend -- modified check. Human characters in general -- like most of you have noted, not exactly the strongest factor in the original cartoon. So a lot of new ones, but they'll be vaguely familiar to fans. No little kid sidekicks. There will be Easter Eggs. Some of the Decepticons don't seem that bright. Some are an absolute scream. Megatron as a gun -- not going to happen, for the stated reasons. Alternate forms of 'Bots than just the two ... could be. Well, that ought to keep you busy arguing among yourselves for a while. I'll check back in later this month, see ho things are going. Thanks for all the support and interest, john Y esto otro: Oh, and coxy ... Missed one of your questions. "2.on a scale of 1-10 , predict how dark this movie will be?" Decepticons think humans are ... squishy. Enough said. Entonces habrá cambios de tamaño para adecuar las formas alternativas a los robots, pero sin exagerar (que un coche y un avió se transformen en robots de tamaño parecido, por ejemplo). Le gustan los espías, pero le parece que las cassettes no pintan nada. A buscar alternativas. Habrá una especie de Ratchet, aunque como camión de bomberos. O bien es Inferno o bien Ratchet con cuerpo de Inferno. No habrá niñancros (yuhhuuu!). Todo basado en G1. Tenemos Cybertron, Arca y Matriz de Energon. Starscream será igual de insoportable que siempre. Hay que decidir entre uno de los Autobot Brothers, Sunstreaker o Sideswipe. Megatron no será pistola. |
Alto Consejo Cybertroniano | |
l_Speedy_l Alto Consejo Cybertroniano | #2• Se ven prometedores los comentarios de este hombre pero yo ya voi con la idea fija de que no va a ser la grán maravilla. |
Alto Consejo Cybertroniano | |
Tanafor Alto Consejo Cybertroniano | #3• Era una serie de preguntas, y 2 es el número: |
Alto Consejo Cybertroniano | |
Deszaras_X Alto Consejo Cybertroniano | #4• en general son buenas noticias, la mejor es q no habra pendex, aunque eso no implica que exista un humano mamon metido ahy, lo de cambio de tamaño es normal y hasta aceptable, todos sabemos que un robot que venga de un f-15 es mas grande que uno que viene de mazda o algo por el estilo, ojala nivelen pa lo alto eso si. |
Alternator / Binaltech | |
Flucklipero Alternator / Binaltech | #5•• Y lo mejor será cuando llegue el merchandisingggggggg!!!! imaginaos los vehiculos. Ademas suelen ser fieles reproducciones de las peliculas. Con estos si que podemos alucinar. Vaya jugyuetes k saldrán. |
Alto Consejo Cybertroniano | |
Tanafor Alto Consejo Cybertroniano | #6• Hombre, por poco apoyo que den hoy en día a Transformers, eso cambiará con la peli. Saben que no hay mejor publicidad que esa y tienen que aprovecharla. |
Micromaster | |
Rotorstorm Micromaster | #7• "... y llegará el día en que no tedréis que pasar las horas rastreando la red para encontrar juguetes decentes de transformers en España...." "Vivo en un mundo en el que las cosas normales no suceden muy a menudo"
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Ter_starlight Alto Consejo Cybertroniano | #8• Vaya, son buenas noticias, sobre todo eso de que no habrán tantas pestes humanas, pero la de Megatron..... ni modo, resignación Paz a través de la Tiranía
Nunca te rindas |
Usuario baneado | |
Knockout Usuario baneado | #9• Este mensaje no se muestra porque su autor está baneado |
Alto Consejo Cybertroniano | |
l_Speedy_l Alto Consejo Cybertroniano | #10• Baaaaah no hay nada mejor que un Megatron tanque o artillería móvil, eso infunde más respeto que una pistolita sobre todo porque al transformarse es como Paco el flaco y eso de rediseñar los robots en la televisión porque los juguetes dejan que desear ya pasó a la historia. |
Powermaster Autobot / Decepticon | |
ThunderOptimus Powermaster Autobot / Decepticon | #11• Pues de todos los Megatron que han sacado en television, mi diseño preferido es el de g1, todo gris, sencillo pero a la par demuestra fuerza, y con el cañonazo en el brazo. Cierto que impresiona mas un tanque que una pistola, pero los megatron tanque en modo robot son una mole de piernas gordas y cuerpo medio deforme, y no me convence ni el de G2 ni el de armada. Y el color verde en el tanque es como mejor queda, pero Megatron verde en robot queda muy hortera. Luego esta esa version del G2 que era morado, y en robot perfecto, pero un tanque morado... |
Alto Consejo Cybertroniano | |
Ter_starlight Alto Consejo Cybertroniano | #12• Bueno, en parte lo que dice Knockout es cierto, la esencia de él va a estar ahí, lo que pasa es que para mí, Meggy tiene que ser arma, ser gris y tener un cañón de fusión en el brazo, pero si lo hacen tanque.... mientras no se parezca al de Armada soportaré lo que sea Paz a través de la Tiranía
Nunca te rindas |
Gestalt Autobot / Decepticon | |
Hot_Rod Gestalt Autobot / Decepticon | #13•• Bueno, pos al tío este le han dicho algo como: "tío, ¿¿sabes que tu mensaje lleva ya diez páginas de respuestas??" y él: "¿Comooooorlll? Bueno, pos les voy a contar un poco más y no vuelvo a escribir hasta terminar el guión, que si no me lían": |
Alto Consejo Cybertroniano | |
Deszaras_X Alto Consejo Cybertroniano | #14• Pos lo que dice ( en tono de fan burlon) es que un chico malo intergalactico de su tipo no necesita transformarse en una armita, ni mostrar su forma alterna a apestosos humanos, eso no indica nada mas q no sera una pistola. |
Powermaster Autobot / Decepticon | |
Sardestron Powermaster Autobot / Decepticon | #15• Bah, lo que veo todavía no me da la suficiente confianza.......si,si, ya se lo que me van a decir......pero así soy yo, excéptico. "Por cada paso que doy debo antelar lo que sucederá dentro de los cien más que dare....." |
Alternator / Binaltech | |
Flucklipero Alternator / Binaltech | #16• Escrito originalmente por Hot_Rod 3.)There's no "Autobots=american cars, Decepticons=foreign models" paradigm. There is a big difference between the two, however ... Ummm... esto para mi kiere dar a entender k algun graciosos ha puesto k los buenos son los yankies y los malos son todos los extrangeros. No me gusta esto. Con todo lo k traen ultimamente con eso de k los unicos buenos en el planeta son ellos 95% of the TF's are like 95% of the originals, no worries. But like no yellow spandex and organic webshooters, some stuff just looks better on film. That's why it's film. Esto si es mu weno. Da igual k los diseñe hasbro. De todos modos en la conferencia hasbro dejo entender k le gusto la idea k los fans aportaron sobre crear los g1 de nuevo, pero ya con una buena transformacion y diseño. |
Soldado Autobot / Decepticon | |
Alicia-X Soldado Autobot / Decepticon | #17• Escrito originalmente por Tanafor ... having worked on several fan-intensive projects in the past. But what the hey. I'lll post here, in this relatively safe Don-Murphy guarded thread. John Rogers here. Let the angry flaming begin. A few things off the bat. First off: I KNEW that CATWOMAN credit would come back to bite me in the ass. To tell you the truth, I haven't actually even seen the CATWOMAN movie. Let's leave it at that. Don't get me wrong, I liked the people and appreciate the check. But, err, no. (And don't slag THE CORE. I liked THE CORE. It was one of my first assignments as a young writer and I'm very proud of it. That and creating JACKIE CHAN ADVENTURES ) Look, we've got to both respect the massive fanbase and mythology of a twenty-year legacy, at the same time expand it in filmic ways, and streamline it for a new audience who wouldn't know G1 from Dreamwave with a gun to their head. Look at that Citroen commercial -- why shouldn't we make this movie so the big bots become current in today's culture, rather than treating them as some artifact? There's plainly a zeitgeist for it out there. There should be, after this movie, another whole generation of Transformers fans. Now, to throw you ravenous jackals some marrow. What little marrow I can without ticking off the powers-that-be. Some random stuff, with a few obscure clues for you to chew over: Yes, Mr. Spielberg is very involved in the movie. He pitched out a couple very cool ideas during the development of the story. It's a huge frikkin' honor to be working for him, and know he takes this project very seriously. G1. G1. G1. Period. Finito. Size-shifting is an integral part of the movie, but basically on a scale that'll allow the transformations from earth-disguise vehicle forms to robot to make sense. Some of the power-scales of the Transformer megaweaponry here in my Simon Furman-penned guide sitting next to my computer would be a little ridiculous in a live-action movie. But I want big robots. You want big robots. We'll have some very big robots. And they will fight. I'm writing big-robot-fights. There are some days my job couldn't get cooler. Ark? Check. Cybertron? Check. Energon Matrix? Check plus, actually. Think more about what it means in the greater sense of Transformer identity and sentience. We won't mention Primus, but that points you in the direction of why the Autobots and Decepticons want it, more than just a leadership squabble. As in: "Spark." As to who's showing up -- If you want real, well-defined characters, we need to spend more time on the personalities of each Transformer as a charcter. Autobot faction, Decepticon faction, and humans, they all need to come across as real, um, "people." So, much like the X-Men model, a tight focus on a few leads, with an expansion in the possible second and third movie to a bigger roster. Having said that, why wouldn't I want a cool shapeshifting spy Decepticon? Although, you know, cassettes are so passe ... I think he'd adapt a bit more ... Freedom IS the right of every sentient being. Who's the coolest two-seater high octane brother? I'm asking you. And one small change -- from ambulance to fire truck. Fire truck's more interesting on-screen and to watch transform, and they're both emblematic of his personality, so I think you guys will forgive me. Or at least, I'm asking you to right now. (this is representative of the only changes we're allowing in the movie from mythology. When we change something, we have to keep the spirit of the original intact. Don't worry, Tom and Don are breathing down my neck constantly ...) Witwicky -- check. Witiwicky girlfriend -- modified check. Human characters in general -- like most of you have noted, not exactly the strongest factor in the original cartoon. So a lot of new ones, but they'll be vaguely familiar to fans. No little kid sidekicks. There will be Easter Eggs. Some of the Decepticons don't seem that bright. Some are an absolute scream. Megatron as a gun -- not going to happen, for the stated reasons. Alternate forms of 'Bots than just the two ... could be. Well, that ought to keep you busy arguing among yourselves for a while. I'll check back in later this month, see ho things are going. Thanks for all the support and interest, john Y esto otro: Oh, and coxy ... Missed one of your questions. "2.on a scale of 1-10 , predict how dark this movie will be?" Decepticons think humans are ... squishy. Enough said. Entonces habrá cambios de tamaño para adecuar las formas alternativas a los robots, pero sin exagerar (que un coche y un avió se transformen en robots de tamaño parecido, por ejemplo). Le gustan los espías, pero le parece que las cassettes no pintan nada. A buscar alternativas. Habrá una especie de Ratchet, aunque como camión de bomberos. O bien es Inferno o bien Ratchet con cuerpo de Inferno. No habrá niñancros (yuhhuuu!). Todo basado en G1. Tenemos Cybertron, Arca y Matriz de Energon. Starscream será igual de insoportable que siempre. Hay que decidir entre uno de los Autobot Brothers, Sunstreaker o Sideswipe. Megatron no será pistola. Me a encantado saber que todo sera basado en G1., lo que menos gracia me hace lo de esa especie de Ratchet, version Inferno, espero que se transforme en ambulancia. Por lo menos no habra niños. ¿Saldra Spike y su padre en la pelicula? |
Gestalt Autobot / Decepticon | |
Hot_Rod Gestalt Autobot / Decepticon | #18• Escrito originalmente por Alicia-X Me a encantado saber que todo sera basado en G1., lo que menos gracia me hace lo de esa especie de Ratchet, version Inferno, espero que se transforme en ambulancia. Por lo menos no habra niños. ¿Saldra Spike y su padre en la pelicula? Si es Ratchet versión Inferno, es obviamente porque se va a transformar en camión de bomberos. Sinceramente, me gustaría que Ratchet apareciera como Ratchet y se quedase en el arca y que el que apareciese en combate sea el propio Inferno (que aprenda a curar si quiere), no un engendro con los dos. Y sí, Spike saldrá y tb Carly (aunque parece que no será la novia de Spike "aún" -mucho me temo que habrá un romance tirando pal final de la peli...) |
Powermaster Autobot / Decepticon | |
De5tructor Powermaster Autobot / Decepticon | #19• Escrito originalmente por Hot_Rod ...1.) Specific design stuff like eye color, etc., will be determined by the Hasbro and concept art humans. Not my gig. But I'm meeting with the toy folk this week, and have been told they have some very strict guidelines, and interesting ideas. ...95% of the TF's are like 95% of the originals, no worries. But like no yellow spandex and organic webshooters, some stuff just looks better on film. That's why it's film. ... Parece ser que dijo que los diseños de los Tf no serán de los mismos colores que los de G1, eso suelen hacerlo en casi todas las películas, parece que dijo que por eso las películas son películas, como si deformaran la trama en la que están basadas, aún no termino de entender lo que dijo el tipo. Escrito originalmente por Hot_Rod ... ...7.) No Triple-Changers -- that "more than one Alt-form" was a reference to something else. ... ¿Qué habrá querido decir con eso? Venga y dispare su opinión.
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Alto Consejo Cybertroniano | |
Alphawave_BTS Alto Consejo Cybertroniano | #20• Todo esto no me parece sino una excelente tomada de pelo... NO creo absolutamente nada de esto aún, o más bien debería decir que no confío en que todo lo que se diga se vaya a hacer simplemente porque los cambios que se hacen ya empezado el proyecto cambian con más celeridad de lo que se transforma un Seeker. HASTA QUE LOS DOS SEAMOS UNO...
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