They arrive as expected with the ABs here already.

esto ultimo es lo k no entiendo... Para k necesitan ABS??? es k no tienen frenos diferentes a los nuestros? A ver si van a tener ESP tambien!!!

Eso ultimo es lo primero interesante que veo, Eso de que los autobots han estado entre nosotros hace tiempo a la espera de la llegada de los Destron, ya es una pequeña seña a linea argumental, aunke eso me recuerda al comienzo de RID.

Sips, es bastante obvio que el principio es al estilo de RiD. Bastante adecuado, la verdad, así da más morbillo. Siempre preferiré al Arca despeñada, pero esta es una opción bastante válida.

Pos eso tan importantes, pero no más importantes, que la historia no se centre el la historia d unos adolecentes que cada 20 minutos en la peli comparten con sus nuevos amigos aliens.

Objetivamente, es un peli comercial y ya, ademas ver hora y media de puro cgi les saldria carisimo, yo todavia pienzo q muchas de las penurias de esta peli se deverán a la premura de la misma, dos años para una peli de este tipo es poco, si mal no recuerdo la peli de evangelion esta en marcha desde hace uno o dos años y recien estara terminada para el 2007 o 2010 y ya hemos visto art de pre produccion desde el año pasado, tamos hablando de minimo el doble de tiempo, y eso que evangelion tiene la historia mas o menos lista de antes.

Y encuanto a las historias de amor, q se les haga extraño ver un pequeño romance o flirteo entre dos personajes unidos en esta "aventura" vamos que teniendo a Jean Gray, Ciclope y Wolverine, le inventaron ademas un mini romance de Rouge con Wolverine, y el la segunda con Ice man....absolutamente demas pero siempre estan.

Desde que comensé a leer esto iba a decir lo "mesmo" y me robaste las palabras de la boca, opino igualito.

Se refiere a la peli anime porque es imposible que haya visto una película de la que solo existen bocetos. Lo que me intriga es que dice que se dobló al español, yo eso no lo sabía.

TFORMERS.com publica lo siguiente:

Don Murphy has added some new tidbits to his forum regarding the upcoming Transformers feature film including that the Transformers will retain their orgin from Cybertron and that their reason for coming to Earth is that humans are in possession of the Matrix of Leadership! You can view this and other juicy tidbits over at Murphy's forum here. Special thanks goes out to Nevermore

Pero mirando en los foros de Don Murphy, sacamos la siguiente información:

Posts en el que deja claro que los humanos son un elemento importante:

Originally posted by dolfanar
Since the writing has, or is about to begin, wondering if the first step is to get straight to the writing of the script, or if any time will be put into building a background myth/universe to set up the characters and events of the Movie?

ie. If the TFs come from Cybertron, where is it, what did they all do back home, how did the war start, who started it, why, etc...

Also, is any work going into looking at the origins of the TFs themselves? Who built them, why, why do they Transform.

Basically all the backstory that was retro-engineered into the comics and cartoon (Primus, Unicron, Quintessons, Matrix (either variation), Vector Sigma, Alpha Trion, Orion Pax, Elita-1, Guardian Robots, Great Wars, etc...) will that be there before the first script is written, or will it be something that will be invented on the fly again?

thanks!
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The correct answer is obvious- We are figuring it all out now.

I want to point out again- if ALL we wanted were robots smasking shit we would be doing this all CGI or mo cap or 2D.
This is going to be an event LIVE ACTION film in which HUMANS are a significant component.


Otro:

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Originally posted by megs4ever
Don, will the human roles take away from the character development of the bot's?
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Depends on what you mean.

There will be several human characters.
And several Autobots.
And several Decepticons.

Thus only a FEW of each will get screen time to be fully developed.
They all could appear, but like Wolverine, only a few will be prominent.

You knew that if you thought about it for a second.


En este se pregunta quiénes serán las estrellas de la película, comparándolos con X-Men, la respuesta es clara: Los Autobots!!:

"I think the question that he wanted to ask is: Who will be the stars: Autobots, decepticons or humans?"

Well that's not TOTALLY analagous, but if I have to answer that then the Autobots is the answer.


Aki preguntan a Don por su TF preferido (otra vez) excluyendo a Op y Megs:

posted by megs4ever
Don besides OP & Megs, What other bot,s do you like?
Edit: With respect to the movie
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I love them all like the children I never had.

Megatron's agent is driving a hardass Cybertronian deal I'll tell you.


Aki hacen una analogía con X-Men, comparando a los Autobots con los X-Men, a los Decepticons con la Hermandad de los Mutantes Diabólicos y a los humanos con los humanos no mutantes, de los cuales, el único importante, verdaderamente personaje, era el senador Kelly y en la peli de TFs deben ser importantes:

It is not analagous because the HUMANS in XMEN were not characters unless you count the Senator Kelly guy.

Here they have to be.



Aki explica por qué los humanos deben ser importantes en comparación con X-Men:

Because the XMEN and all mutants were HUMANOID actors.

Again if it is MOSTLY about the robots then it 's not really live action, right?

To the caller just above-

7 is still in play, but again, number 7 might have minmal emphasis- think Iceman in part 1/


Aki siguen insistiendo en por qué son importantes:


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Originally posted by slang73
You're kidding, right? I'm just thinking about all the F/X characters in the Star Wars movies, despite their lack of popularity and level of tolerance let alone other movies in recent history that have relied on F/X-based characters, does that make those movies non-live action? Wouldn't this movie be considered live action as long as the TF's, CGI, mc or whatever F/X style is used, are realised and portrayed realistically upon live film taken of the various settings the story takes place in?

Is the idea here to just use the main human characters as "a way into" the TF's conflict and once that is more or less established, the focus will move more towards the TF's themselves?
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No I am not kidding.
You are arguing for the sake of hearing your voice.
In Star Wars, even the crappy new ones, the CG characters interact with the humanoids. Go ahead call me wrong. I'm not. If it were just creatures fighting creatures in the arena of Clones, who cares? But our heroes who are just like us might buy the farm- that's tense.

Tell me ANY live action films where the CGI characterS were the MAIN, PREDOMINANT roles in the film.

I can't think of any. Cause that isn't what live action IS.

Did you read the Dreamwave reboot volume one? Now before we get three threads of guesses, we are NOT following that story. But the humans are crucial to that story. Read it.


Y LA PREGUNTA CRUCIAL. ¿LOS TFS VIENEN DE CYBERTRON Y NO SON FABRICADOS POR HUMANOS, VERDAD DON?


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Originally posted by JesterJJZ
Don,
Can you at leat confirm that the Transformers will be aliens from the planet Cybertron? They CAN'T be man-made.
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They come from Cybertron
They are not man made
They are here because we have the matrix (probably can't call it that anymore)


Aki vuelven a insistir en por qué los humanos tienen que ser tan importantes como los TFs y recuerdan que el personaje principal de Dragon Heart era un personaje FX:

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Originally posted by JesterJJZ
Dragonheart is the closest I could think of. But why not make it a first in the film industry?
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And with firm proof that many in the world are determined NOT To get it no matter what... I bid you good night.


Más:


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Originally posted by dolfanar
So you feel that the action should follow and be read primarily through the eyes of a human?

Again... no accusation. Just a question: Don't you run the risk of this turning into "The Friends of the Transformers" or "The Transformers vs the Human Race" rather than "The Transformers".

Is this a ploy to get us into the story. ie. it'll start being about us, but if people buy into the robot characters, the human's will be downscaled if there ever is a sequel, or do you simply see no way a group of CG characters can ever be featured, the way a group of X-men played by human's could?
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Reverse the phrase to Transformers and friends and I will agree with you.

Of course you can always make it about just the TFs- just not in a live actions summer event film.


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Originally posted by dolfanar
No, sadly there are tons of people who want to see *The Transformers*, as fully realized characters who can stand on their own, have discussions amongst themselves, plot strategy, discuss politics, talk about their hopes, dreams and experiences without a human there to hold their hand. For every "fanboy" that you describe there are atleast as many people looking for a movie about *The Transformers*... not about how *The Transformers* affect human society. Those are two different movies entirely.

I'm not convinced that's what we are going to get, but it's definitely a possiblity based on what, admittedly little, we know right now...
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Well for clarity you are NOT going to get a CG animated film in which the TFS do all that. Or rather, I believe Paramount is releasing a direct to video film of that very thing.


Uno que dice que pa ver a humanos como protagonistas se va a ver otra peli sin TFs


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Originally posted by SAJse



If I want to see a movie where the humans are central to the plot, then I will watch a film that doesn't have robots in it.

EDIT: What Dolfanar said.
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Then by all means, PLEASE don't go see this film.